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By: Di http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-4103 Di Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:13:21 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-4103 John Dawns...... visit Jamaica. I have spent a lot of time there and as hard as it can be in most parts, its calming as well. The people I have met and befriended are kind and very protective. Sometimes being so needy is mistaken for something to fear. I have seen first hand how hard it is to survive. I stayed with a friend of mine in their environment with no running water or electricity. The first couple days were hard but after that, I fit right in. I am sure there are areas you should not travel but if you are smart and dont arrive with attitude, you would truely find Jamaica to be "magical". Its so comfortable. I did not travel to Kingston and i've heard its not so good there. Dont go empty handed. Gifts are greatly appreciated. John Dawns…… visit Jamaica. I have spent a lot of time there and as hard as it can be in most parts, its calming as well. The people I have met and befriended are kind and very protective. Sometimes being so needy is mistaken for
something to fear. I have seen first hand how hard it is to survive. I stayed with a friend of mine in their environment with no running water or electricity. The first couple days were hard but after that, I fit right in. I am sure there are areas you should not travel but if you are smart and dont arrive with attitude, you would truely find Jamaica to be “magical”. Its so comfortable. I did not travel to Kingston and i’ve heard its not so good there. Dont go empty handed. Gifts are greatly appreciated.

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By: John Dawns http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-4097 John Dawns Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:38:42 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-4097 Having read this,I am saddened by the negative description of the land of my father. I am mixed-race(father Jamaican,mother English...)and live in the UK. Having been brought up in a predominantly European scenario and had no contact with people of Jamaican origin(or anyone of black heritage for that matter),I have reached a point in my life where I truly want to know so much more about the country where my father was born;Who were my grandparents?What is life actually like in Jamaica?Is is as terrifying as the world media depicts it to be? This particular article does absolutely nothing to allay any fears that should I decide to visit,I may be at risk for my life! I have always been under the impression that Jamaica,widely described as a Third-World Country,is a very dangerous and deadly place for the uninitiated and should be avoided,but having read some of the responses to this article have only added to my confusion! Perhaps I might muster the courage to actually visit one day and hopefully be pleasantly surprised that the Western press have got it all wrong and that Jamaica is really the paradise that I want it to be... Having read this,I am saddened by the negative description of the land of my father.
I am mixed-race(father Jamaican,mother English…)and live in the UK.
Having been brought up in a predominantly European scenario and had no contact with people of Jamaican origin(or anyone of black heritage for that matter),I have reached a point in my life where I truly want to know so much more about the country where my father was born;Who were my grandparents?What is life actually like in Jamaica?Is is as terrifying as the world media depicts it to be? This particular article does absolutely nothing to allay any fears that should I decide to visit,I may be at risk for my life!
I have always been under the impression that Jamaica,widely described as a Third-World Country,is a very dangerous and deadly place for the uninitiated and should be avoided,but having read some of the responses to this article have only added to my confusion!
Perhaps I might muster the courage to actually visit one day and hopefully be pleasantly surprised that the Western press have got it all wrong and that Jamaica is really the paradise that I want it to be…

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By: Godfrey http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-4095 Godfrey Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:08:41 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-4095 You did get a small part of Jamaica as seen by those who leave the path of the tourist, Pity you did not spend a longer time to see the country part. One of the problems that I see is the denial that Jamaicans have of the problems. I am a Jamaican and I do not let that fact blind my eyes to the problems that exist. the corrupt politicians, the gunmen ( who are or has been protected by the politicians) there are many things wrong , but by the same token on the whole, Jamaicans are a proud people, regretfully so much things are wrong. I stay in Whitehouse Westmoreland, I see both sides the rich and the poor. I find that the whole Island is in extremes, the wealthy are very wealth and the poor, very poor. Middleclass, very rare. What you will notice with the poor they have given up hope, so many have said this to me “what’s the use”. You did get a small part of Jamaica as seen by those who leave the path of the tourist, Pity you did not spend a longer time to see the country part. One of the problems that I see is the denial that Jamaicans have of the problems. I am a Jamaican and I do not let that fact blind my eyes to the problems that exist. the corrupt politicians, the gunmen ( who are or has been protected by the politicians) there are many things wrong , but by the same token on the whole, Jamaicans are a proud people, regretfully so much things are wrong. I stay in Whitehouse Westmoreland, I see both sides the rich and the poor. I find that the whole Island is in extremes, the wealthy are very wealth and the poor, very poor. Middleclass, very rare. What you will notice with the poor they have given up hope, so many have said this to me “what’s the use”.

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By: Nikita Cain http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-4078 Nikita Cain Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:21:33 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-4078 I enjoyed this article because I felt the same way. I loved their culture and the beaches, but I felt so sorry for them. We stayed with my husband's family and they lived in rural Westmorland. There was no hot water, microwave, or washers and dryers. The dogs running around looked like they were starving. I saw them kill a goat and I almost cried! I could'nt believe how they build the houses in the hills and make them out of what looks like anthing they can find. The girls that lived with us brought me a sweetie (lollipop) and I accidently lost it and it was so important to them for me to find it. We ate fish and bammy too. I would love to go back but next time I'll stay in a hotel because that is just not the way I'm used to living. I tried it and the whole time I just kept on thinking about how I could'nt wait to take a hot bath and watch cable! However, his family was sweet but I was in shock when they all begged for our stuff when we packed up. The mosquitos ate my son and I up, but did'nt even touch my husband. I heard it was because they smelled different blood! I felt like I was going to melt without any a.c. and their was weed everywhere. Being there really makes you want to appreciate everything you own. From contact lenses to cars! I enjoyed this article because I felt the same way. I loved their culture and the beaches, but I felt so sorry for them. We stayed with my husband’s family and they lived in rural Westmorland. There was no hot water, microwave, or washers and dryers. The dogs running around looked like they were starving. I saw them kill a goat and I almost cried! I could’nt believe how they build the houses in the hills and make them out of what looks like anthing they can find. The girls that lived with us brought me a sweetie (lollipop) and I accidently lost it and it was so important to them for me to find it. We ate fish and bammy too. I would love to go back but next time I’ll stay in a hotel because that is just not the way I’m used to living. I tried it and the whole time I just kept on thinking about how I could’nt wait to take a hot bath and watch cable! However, his family was sweet but I was in shock when they all begged for our stuff when we packed up. The mosquitos ate my son and I up, but did’nt even touch my husband. I heard it was because they smelled different blood! I felt like I was going to melt without any a.c. and their was weed everywhere. Being there really makes you want to appreciate everything you own. From contact lenses to cars!

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By: Deborah http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-4062 Deborah Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:18:42 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-4062 My husband and I have just returned from a "vacation" to Jamaica. Until then, I knew nothing of Jamaica other than it was south of Cuba, and I vaguely remember a Jamaican bob-sled team in the Olympics once. I had seen commercials on television (Sandals), and when I did a websearch, the only hits I got were all glowing descriptions of what a wonderful time could be had for little $$. As this was a promotional trip from my husband's employer, we actually didn't pay any $$ for our all-inclusive stay, and I found the reason for this just looking out our balcony window at the extreme poverty on the other side of the barbed wire atop the resort wall. How did I find this blog? I typed "The Real Jamaica" in the google search line. I have read the blog and believe it to be an accurate, well-rounded perspective of the area the blogger visited. I have also read several of the posts, and would take issue that people think the blogger was being judgemental or narrow-minded. Certainly everyone has a different perspective, but the picture that Jamaica wants to present to the world is just as much a lie as the picture America wants to present. Or maybe that is in the eye of the beholder. Americans don't say there is no poor, but it sure isn't the job of the government to take care of them...that belongs to the Church and they've done a POOR JOB. Anyway, personally, from the moment we started our hour and a half drive to the resort in Ocho Rios, I was under conviction as to what I really believe. I read, " For we brought nothing into [this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content." Paul's very words to his beloved Timothy are also His words to me as I call Him Lord and Savior. I also say this...but do I believe it? It was there before me on one side of the road, while the exact opposite "I want all inclusive booze, food and partying if you expect me to visit your country on vacation" was on the other...and stangely enough, those who were on the "all inclusive" side did not often smile or laugh, except at the expense of others. They sought to comfort their flesh with more than food and raiment. However, those who lived on the other side, often times smile at the most simple of life's pleasures and don't need booze or gambling to "have a good time." In case you are prone to judge me, that I am narrow-minded as well, I want you to know that I am not ignorant of extreme poverty, I just was not aware that in Jamaica such was the case. Also, ask yourself what you think "extreme poverty" means. Many may say they are rich, but they are poor, wretched and blind.... The Jamaican people that I met, the "real" ones, not the ones that worked at the resort who plastered on a smile, (who knows if it were real or not?) are people just like anyone growing up poor. They live and die, love and hate, laugh and cry just like EVERYONE. They have known poverty their entire life and don't know any different. That is just the way things are. They are allowed to look at "the rich," but they sure can't walk on that side of the street, literally. I was not prepared for the contrast, and spent the entire first day of our vacation weeping, as did my husband. Why did we weep? Because we were being convicted. Do we believe what we read and say? Do you, dear brother or sister in Christ? How could we enjoy a vacation in extravagance while literally on the other side of the concentration-like camp fense people were waiting for a crumb....... Jamaica is a truly beautiful place in one sense, and one of the most ugly places in another...but that is no different than anywhere else in the world. Thank you for posting this blog. My husband and I have just returned from a “vacation” to Jamaica. Until then, I knew nothing of Jamaica other than it was south of Cuba, and I vaguely remember a Jamaican bob-sled team in the Olympics once. I had seen commercials on television (Sandals), and when I did a websearch, the only hits I got were all glowing descriptions of what a wonderful time could be had for little $$. As this was a promotional trip from my husband’s employer, we actually didn’t pay any $$ for our all-inclusive stay, and I found the reason for this just looking out our balcony window at the extreme poverty on the other side of the barbed wire atop the resort wall.

How did I find this blog? I typed “The Real Jamaica” in the google search line.

I have read the blog and believe it to be an accurate, well-rounded perspective of the area the blogger visited. I have also read several of the posts, and would take issue that people think the blogger was being judgemental or narrow-minded. Certainly everyone has a different perspective, but the picture that Jamaica wants to present to the world is just as much a lie as the picture America wants to present. Or maybe that is in the eye of the beholder. Americans don’t say there is no poor, but it sure isn’t the job of the government to take care of them…that belongs to the Church and they’ve done a POOR JOB.

Anyway, personally, from the moment we started our hour and a half drive to the resort in Ocho Rios, I was under conviction as to what I really believe. I read, ” For we brought nothing into [this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.” Paul’s very words to his beloved Timothy are also His words to me as I call Him Lord and Savior. I also say this…but do I believe it? It was there before me on one side of the road, while the exact opposite “I want all inclusive booze, food and partying if you expect me to visit your country on vacation” was on the other…and stangely enough, those who were on the “all inclusive” side did not often smile or laugh, except at the expense of others. They sought to comfort their flesh with more than food and raiment. However, those who lived on the other side, often times smile at the most simple of life’s pleasures and don’t need booze or gambling to “have a good time.”

In case you are prone to judge me, that I am narrow-minded as well, I want you to know that I am not ignorant of extreme poverty, I just was not aware that in Jamaica such was the case. Also, ask yourself what you think “extreme poverty” means. Many may say they are rich, but they are poor, wretched and blind….

The Jamaican people that I met, the “real” ones, not the ones that worked at the resort who plastered on a smile, (who knows if it were real or not?) are people just like anyone growing up poor. They live and die, love and hate, laugh and cry just like EVERYONE. They have known poverty their entire life and don’t know any different. That is just the way things are. They are allowed to look at “the rich,” but they sure can’t walk on that side of the street, literally.

I was not prepared for the contrast, and spent the entire first day of our vacation weeping, as did my husband.

Why did we weep? Because we were being convicted. Do we believe what we read and say? Do you, dear brother or sister in Christ? How could we enjoy a vacation in extravagance while literally on the other side of the concentration-like camp fense people were waiting for a crumb…….

Jamaica is a truly beautiful place in one sense, and one of the most ugly places in another…but that is no different than anywhere else in the world.

Thank you for posting this blog.

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By: Frank Johnson http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-2259 Frank Johnson Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:37:01 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-2259 With all the places to travel in the world, and I have not traveled too many places, Jamaica always has been and will remain my favorite place to visit. I travel to Jamaica at least 3 times a year, not because of the all-inclusive resorts, but rather because I enjoy the warm reception I have always received. I have never even been to a resort. I stay with people I have met. People who are genuine and down to earth people. Sure, poverty and crime exists. I can find the same poverty and social ills just out my own back door and I live in the most expensive county in my state. However, I am more hesitant to walk down the streets in my town than I am walking through Montego Bay, Sav-la-Mar, or any other areas I have been in Jamaica. Of course, there are areas in Jamaica that even the locals will not tread, but where isn't there? As far as racism, I have never encountered it in Jamaica, but of course I encounter it everyday in the U.S. (and I'm white). The Jamaican people are very open and cordial to people of all races. I am currently looking for a house in Jamaica and plan to retire there within the next few years. Other countries, the U.S. included would be better served to remember the Jamaican motto: Out of many; One people With all the places to travel in the world, and I have not traveled too many places, Jamaica always has been and will remain my favorite place to visit. I travel to Jamaica at least 3 times a year, not because of the all-inclusive resorts, but rather because I enjoy the warm reception I have always received. I have never even been to a resort. I stay with people I have met. People who are genuine and down to earth people. Sure, poverty and crime exists. I can find the same poverty and social ills just out my own back door and I live in the most expensive county in my state. However, I am more hesitant to walk down the streets in my town than I am walking through Montego Bay, Sav-la-Mar, or any other areas I have been in Jamaica. Of course, there are areas in Jamaica that even the locals will not tread, but where isn’t there?
As far as racism, I have never encountered it in Jamaica, but of course I encounter it everyday in the U.S. (and I’m white). The Jamaican people are very open and cordial to people of all races. I am currently looking for a house in Jamaica and plan to retire there within the next few years.

Other countries, the U.S. included would be better served to remember the Jamaican motto: Out of many; One people

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By: Miss Oliver http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-1403 Miss Oliver Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:51:04 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-1403 It nice that you tried to take the path less taken; however, I think your perspective is shaped due to your experience with American ghettos. The statement you made about women getting beat and children not knowing their daddy. That is not our sociatal norm. You might have ran into some uneducated women every culture have them. I've seen white American trailer parks. Jamaica don't have a welfare system that encourages women to deny the fathers so they can get a bigger check. Most Jamaicans can even trace their family history back 4 generation which includes a mom and dad. That issues is very American. Many of the poor in Jamaica are drug addicts, teenage mothers, orphans who grew up and uneducated. Jamaica is a different world! The culture and standard are different. We are a truly intergrated diverse population. All races are able to contribute to the well being of the entire Island. I am a Jamaican of Portuguese Jewish heritage. I went to Temple in Jamaica before I migrated to the US. I too never heard of the "German" Seaftown you mention. Despite all the ads you see in the US and England there are other ethnic groups in Jamaica. We consider ourselves just as Jamaican as everyone else. Some groups are new to the island and some been here since the 1800's. All Jamaicans are not RASTA. Yes, Jamaica is more classist than America, but America is more racist. Americans have more of a hang up on color, look at their view of interracial couples. Yes, Jamaica is Anit-Gay...that will never change. If Americans try to Americanize our country to be more GAY FRIENDLY, I'm sorry to say many blood will be shed. Please read our history. Jamaica was once a part of Britian. Research our history on what is proper behavior for adults. It nice that you tried to take the path less taken; however, I think your perspective is shaped due to your experience with American ghettos.

The statement you made about women getting beat and children not knowing their daddy. That is not our sociatal norm. You might have ran into some uneducated women every culture have them. I’ve seen white American trailer parks.
Jamaica don’t have a welfare system that encourages women to deny the fathers so they can get a bigger check. Most Jamaicans can even trace their family history back 4 generation which includes a mom and dad. That issues is very American.

Many of the poor in Jamaica are drug addicts, teenage mothers, orphans who grew up and uneducated. Jamaica is a different world! The culture and standard are different. We are a truly intergrated diverse population. All races are able to contribute to the well being of the entire Island. I am a Jamaican of Portuguese Jewish heritage. I went to Temple in Jamaica before I migrated to the US.

I too never heard of the “German” Seaftown you mention. Despite all the ads you see in the US and England there are other ethnic groups in Jamaica. We consider ourselves just as Jamaican as everyone else. Some groups are new to the island and some been here since the 1800’s. All Jamaicans are not RASTA.

Yes, Jamaica is more classist than America, but America is more racist. Americans have more of a hang up on color, look at their view of interracial couples. Yes, Jamaica is Anit-Gay…that will never change. If Americans try to Americanize our country to be more GAY FRIENDLY, I’m sorry to say many blood will be shed. Please read our history. Jamaica was once a part of Britian. Research our history on what is proper behavior for adults.

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By: Miss hilary http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-628 Miss hilary Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:15:22 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-628 I thoroughly enjoyed reading your experience in Jamaica whilst on Holiday. i do believe that you gave your honest opinion of what you saw and felt. I don't think you were critical of the country and if there was to be any criticism it would be towards the government. As someone said the real jamaica is when you are living there as i am. A tourist resort is not the true reflection of jamaica or any other country. I continue to pray that the people of Jamaica will appreciate their own culture and roots and not to want to be like others. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your experience in Jamaica whilst on Holiday. i do believe that you gave your honest opinion of what you saw and felt. I don’t think you were critical of the country and if there was to be any criticism it would be towards the government.
As someone said the real jamaica is when you are living there as i am. A tourist resort is not the true reflection of jamaica or any other country. I continue to pray that the people of Jamaica will appreciate their own culture and roots and not to want to be like others.

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By: Adriano http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-577 Adriano Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:12:00 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-577 Highly enjoyable article. I was born in JA and left in the mass exodus of the late 70's to Canada. I went back once in 1983 to find all my friends from sts peter and paul prep school had practically left the island. You covered quite a bit of ground in one week which is quite impressive. I actually defy anyone to encapture a culture after spending 7 days. Problems notwhithstanding...Jamaica faces the same challenges as any country re: education/ crime/ unemployment/ opportunity for the young. The reson I liked your aticle is not solely for the topic but the discussion it has generated. Well done! Highly enjoyable article.
I was born in JA and left in the mass exodus of the late 70’s to Canada. I went back once in 1983 to find all my friends from sts peter and paul prep school had practically left the island.
You covered quite a bit of ground in one week which is quite impressive. I actually defy anyone to encapture a culture after spending 7 days. Problems notwhithstanding…Jamaica faces the same challenges as any country re: education/ crime/ unemployment/ opportunity for the young.
The reson I liked your aticle is not solely for the topic but the discussion it has generated.
Well done!

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By: The Real Jamaica: A Respose « Thought Press. http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-541 The Real Jamaica: A Respose « Thought Press. Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:50:08 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-541 [...] Jump to Comments I have received comments both positive and negative about my experience in Jamaica, the most popular entry on this blog. Unfortunately many commenters missed my true opinion on the [...] [...] Jump to Comments I have received comments both positive and negative about my experience in Jamaica, the most popular entry on this blog. Unfortunately many commenters missed my true opinion on the [...]

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By: alex http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-537 alex Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:03:42 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-537 You went to Jamaica with an attitude that you were going to a different and lesser world. I was born and raised in a “third world country” and I got a taste of both the US and my native land. I personally enjoy being home a lot better that being in the U.S. people say hello where I’m from. When I’m in the US if you say hello to some one you get a look like you are crazy. I think if you would of seen the good things like the attitude of people not just say they have no jobs and they throw trash every where. If you see the real US you would notice how many people are on well fare, have you ever been to a super market and the beginning of the month and seen how may people pay with welfare checks?? I don’t think so, also why do all the prisoners have to clean the streets and all those adopt-a-high way sings every were, because state siders throw trash every were also. So next time you go some where to criticize they was they live you should criticize your self and all the dirty pigs you live with first. And ask your self how much longer will the US be able to pay for all these people to not work and be on welfare and in jails. Wile they keep giving all their jobs to the Mexican, and out sourcing factories to the orient ??? chew on that for a while to gingo. You went to Jamaica with an attitude that you were going to a different and lesser world. I was born and raised in a “third world country” and I got a taste of both the US and my native land. I personally enjoy being home a lot better that being in the U.S. people say hello where I’m from. When I’m in the US if you say hello to some one you get a look like you are crazy. I think if you would of seen the good things like the attitude of people not just say they have no jobs and they throw trash every where. If you see the real US you would notice how many people are on well fare, have you ever been to a super market and the beginning of the month and seen how may people pay with welfare checks??
I don’t think so, also why do all the prisoners have to clean the streets and all those adopt-a-high way sings every were, because state siders throw trash every were also. So next time you go some where to criticize they was they live you should criticize your self and all the dirty pigs you live with first. And ask your self how much longer will the US be able to pay for all these people to not work and be on welfare and in jails. Wile they keep giving all their jobs to the Mexican, and out sourcing factories to the orient ??? chew on that for a while to gingo.

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By: WR http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-533 WR Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:05:29 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-533 I am happy and sad to read this article. Happy to know that you had the good fortune to visit the beautiful island of Jamaica, sad to know you left with what seems to be a largely negative impression of it. If you have the time, please read another person's perspective. http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070211/letters/letters1.html LETTER OF THE DAY: An open letter to Montego Bay:Jamaica - a paradise found... published: Sunday | February 11, 2007 The Editor, Sir: This is a quick thank you to the city of Montego Bay for the wonderful hospitality shown to my wife and me during our stay inyour city during the end of January and into February we stayed on the 'Hip Strip' and were in the heart of things most of the time. We had stayed previously on another part of the island at an 'all-inclusive', and while it was certainly very nice, it was somewhat 'plastic' and lacking the flavour of the people. We found that this time, from the pork pit to the all-night street parties, the vibrant nature of Jamaica shone through. The staff at the Doctor's Cave beach were tremendous, every day. We got to know one of the attendants a bit and he ended up taking us, on his day off, to Negril. He asked nothing for this, and we were treated to a tremendous day trip. Wayne should be commended for his pride in Jamaica and its people. We were fortunate to meet sister Hazel Dalley as well. In the short time we got to know her and her staff at Dalley's shop on Gloucester, we were truly treated like family. Her walls are covered with commendations and awards from far and wide; it is very obvious why. She is a fine woman. I met a young man named David, who had one leg. We talked like old friends one morning, early, when I went for my walk. Again, he asked for nothing, only my company. I learned about his country and he about mine. Trust me, I am not nave. I know the difference between whether I am being hustled or not. STRUGGLING WITH VIOLENCE Much is sometimes made of Jamaica's struggles with violence. Some people here in Canada even asked us why we would take the risk of vacationing in Jamaica. Certainly January was a difficult month for violence. My wife and I have travelled extensively in the world. The answer is this: some of the finest people I have ever met, anywhere, were in Jamaica. The kindness, the genuine nature of their personalities, the strong spiritual strength that was exuded by everything that they did, made them such a pleasure to be associated with. Reading The Gleaner every day, with the letters and editorials, it was obvious that Jamaica abounds with persons of this sort - fine, upstanding people who only want the best for their country and countrymen and women. The struggles are there, to be sure. Nuisance drug dealers abound, which takes away from the beauty of the city. Violence, however, encapsulated within small areas, cannot be tolerated. Poverty rears its head often. Yet, the beauty of Jamaica and especially its people, overwhelms all of that. I speak as a police officer of 21 years service here in Canada, who has seen much. My wife is a nurse with similar years of service. We could likely be accused at times of being jaded by what we have seen; yet we see the beauty in our own city and nation, every day. Jamaica is a paradise - and not a paradise lost - but found. We will be back soon. I am, etc., CURTIS KEMP ckemp@polce.regina.sk.ca Regina, Canada I am happy and sad to read this article. Happy to know that you had the good fortune to visit the beautiful island of Jamaica, sad to know you left with what seems to be a largely negative impression of it. If you have the time, please read another person’s perspective.

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20070211/letters/letters1.html

LETTER OF THE DAY: An open letter to Montego Bay:Jamaica - a paradise found…
published: Sunday | February 11, 2007

The Editor, Sir:

This is a quick thank you to the city of Montego Bay for the wonderful hospitality shown to my wife and me during our stay inyour city during the end of January and into February we stayed on the ‘Hip Strip’ and were in the heart of things most of the time. We had stayed previously on another part of the island at an ‘all-inclusive’, and while it was certainly very nice, it was somewhat ‘plastic’ and lacking the flavour of the people.

We found that this time, from the pork pit to the all-night street parties, the vibrant nature of Jamaica shone through. The staff at the Doctor’s Cave beach were tremendous, every day. We got to know one of the attendants a bit and he ended up taking us, on his day off, to Negril. He asked nothing for this, and we were treated to a tremendous day trip. Wayne should be commended for his pride in Jamaica and its people.

We were fortunate to meet sister Hazel Dalley as well. In the short time we got to know her and her staff at Dalley’s shop on Gloucester, we were truly treated like family. Her walls are covered with commendations and awards from far and wide; it is very obvious why. She is a fine woman.

I met a young man named David, who had one leg. We talked like old friends one morning, early, when I went for my walk. Again, he asked for nothing, only my company. I learned about his country and he about mine. Trust me, I am not nave. I know the difference between whether I am being hustled or not.

STRUGGLING WITH VIOLENCE

Much is sometimes made of Jamaica’s struggles with violence. Some people here in Canada even asked us why we would take the risk of vacationing in Jamaica. Certainly January was a difficult month for violence.

My wife and I have travelled extensively in the world. The answer is this: some of the finest people I have ever met, anywhere, were in Jamaica. The kindness, the genuine nature of their personalities, the strong spiritual strength that was exuded by everything that they did, made them such a pleasure to be associated with.

Reading The Gleaner every day, with the letters and editorials, it was obvious that Jamaica abounds with persons of this sort - fine, upstanding people who only want the best for their country and countrymen and women. The struggles are there, to be sure. Nuisance drug dealers abound, which takes away from the beauty of the city. Violence, however, encapsulated within small areas, cannot be tolerated. Poverty rears its head often.

Yet, the beauty of Jamaica and especially its people, overwhelms all of that. I speak as a police officer of 21 years service here in Canada, who has seen much. My wife is a nurse with similar years of service. We could likely be accused at times of being jaded by what we have seen; yet we see the beauty in our own city and nation, every day.

Jamaica is a paradise - and not a paradise lost - but found. We will be back soon.

I am, etc.,

CURTIS KEMP

ckemp@polce.regina.sk.ca

Regina, Canada

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By: Alisha http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-532 Alisha Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:24:31 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-532 when i started reading this article, i was appalled. i thought it very stereotypical and it was almost like what you expected to see and not what i know is there. i am a jamaican living in the US and there is no where like home. i currently attend a very good university where i am studing to be a teacher andi plan is to go back to jamaica to teach. you found the poor higglers annoying because they were trying to sell you things; you talked about jamaica with great authority and you think you have experienced everything, but you did not. not all jamaican men beat their women or are not involve in their children's lives. when my mom left, my father took care of me; he bathed me, combed my hair and took me to school every morning. Also, jamaica is very diverse and i was never aware of the differences in races until i came to this country five years ago because i was used to seeing different people in jamaica and they are treated like everyone else. you observe that ignorance is prevalent among the people, but i found some of you comments more ignorant than the people in jamaica. when i started reading this article, i was appalled. i thought it very stereotypical and it was almost like what you expected to see and not what i know is there. i am a jamaican living in the US and there is no where like home. i currently attend a very good university where i am studing to be a teacher andi plan is to go back to jamaica to teach. you found the poor higglers annoying because they were trying to sell you things; you talked about jamaica with great authority and you think you have experienced everything, but you did not. not all jamaican men beat their women or are not involve in their children’s lives. when my mom left, my father took care of me; he bathed me, combed my hair and took me to school every morning. Also, jamaica is very diverse and i was never aware of the differences in races until i came to this country five years ago because i was used to seeing different people in jamaica and they are treated like everyone else. you observe that ignorance is prevalent among the people, but i found some of you comments more ignorant than the people in jamaica.

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By: Leo http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-94 Leo Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:00:12 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-94 Nice article, but better responses... I am a Jamaican living in the UK with light coffee colour skin, green eyes and freckles... To me there is no such thing as race, only the country of birth and the country of residence that counts. I hope to go back to JA next february with my son who's mother comes from Italy. Out of many, one people. Nice article, but better responses… I am a Jamaican living in the UK with light coffee colour skin, green eyes and freckles… To me there is no such thing as race, only the country of birth and the country of residence that counts.

I hope to go back to JA next february with my son who’s mother comes from Italy.

Out of many, one people.

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By: N. Gunter http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-78 N. Gunter Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:57:45 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-78 I am sorry that you saw Jamaica but did not truly see it. It is obvious to me that you have seen Jamaica through first world eyes missing the beauty that truly exists. I would advise you to visit again and speak to a few other individuals. Imagine my impression of your home town and the surrounding area, had I been put on a bus and only taken to ghetto areas or tourist areas. What do you think my impression would have been? While there is poverty, there is also a large working class population in Jamaica, not all are impoverished. Not all are poor black people starving their families and beating their wives. Some people are just simple country people who do what they can to survive. They help their neighbours and thier friends. Others are incredibly well educated teachers and mentors. Others still, are inovative business persons who start small..yes even on the street side (what we call higglers) and when they get enough money start something bigger and better. There are many in the private and public sector who are fighting to improve the lot of all jamaicans by attracting investment into the sector and trying to reduce poverty and crime. The Jamaicans I know have a beauty of spirit and of strength that many in the world should envy. We live in an inclusive world, largely accepting of different religeons and peoples....Christian, Jews, Rastafarians, Muslims, Hindus and others live here in peace....In Jamaica there is a tradition here of helping your neighbour and jamaicans are amoung the friendliest people in the world. It is true that many jamaicans are homophobic but that is a state of mind that exists everywhere in the world not just Jamaica and there are many of us here that are not homophobic. We are a country of mixed peoples and we are proud of this fact. Jamaica's motto is "Out of Many One People" I am a Jamaican of mixed parentage and I my self am mixed with east indian, Scotish, french, black and east Indian. My husband was white Jamaican. Jamaicans come in many colors, sizes and shapes. Yes there is crime... but where oh where... do you go to avoid crime??? Crime is an offshoot of poverty, illiteratcy,ignorance and the drug trade. These are factors which exist everywhere. Jamaica is no exception. You saw poor and no middle class. It might suprise you to know that while yes our middle class is a small part of the population and was depleted in the migration of the seventies it still exists and is growing though slowly. Growing areas like Portmore, Linsted and May Pen are replete with office workers and middle managers that work in Kingston..... What is now needed is more foriegn investment and oportunities for the working class to take them into the world of the middle class. As to the ridiculous statement that there are only 3 high schools in Kingston...what a silly and unsubstantiated comment to make. I can name ten right off the bat....before making such sweeping statements you should check your facts. I am sorry that you saw Jamaica but did not truly see it. It is obvious to me that you have seen Jamaica through first world eyes missing the beauty that truly exists. I would advise you to visit again and speak to a few other individuals. Imagine my impression of your home town and the surrounding area, had I been put on a bus and only taken to ghetto areas or tourist areas. What do you think my impression would have been?

While there is poverty, there is also a large working class population in Jamaica, not all are impoverished. Not all are poor black people starving their families and beating their wives. Some people are just simple country people who do what they can to survive. They help their neighbours and thier friends. Others are incredibly well educated teachers and mentors. Others still, are inovative business persons who start small..yes even on the street side (what we call higglers) and when they get enough money start something bigger and better. There are many in the private and public sector who are fighting to improve the lot of all jamaicans by attracting investment into the sector and trying to reduce poverty and crime.

The Jamaicans I know have a beauty of spirit and of strength that many in the world should envy. We live in an inclusive world, largely accepting of different religeons and peoples….Christian, Jews, Rastafarians, Muslims, Hindus and others live here in peace….In Jamaica there is a tradition here of helping your neighbour and jamaicans are amoung the friendliest people in the world. It is true that many jamaicans are homophobic but that is a state of mind that exists everywhere in the world not just Jamaica and there are many of us here that are not homophobic.

We are a country of mixed peoples and we are proud of this fact. Jamaica’s motto is “Out of Many One People” I am a Jamaican of mixed parentage and I my self am mixed with east indian, Scotish, french, black and east Indian. My husband was white Jamaican. Jamaicans come in many colors, sizes and shapes.

Yes there is crime… but where oh where… do you go to avoid crime??? Crime is an offshoot of poverty, illiteratcy,ignorance and the drug trade. These are factors which exist everywhere. Jamaica is no exception.

You saw poor and no middle class. It might suprise you to know that while yes our middle class is a small part of the population and was depleted in the migration of the seventies it still exists and is growing though slowly. Growing areas like Portmore, Linsted and May Pen are replete with office workers and middle managers that work in Kingston….. What is now needed is more foriegn investment and oportunities for the working class to take them into the world of the middle class.

As to the ridiculous statement that there are only 3 high schools in Kingston…what a silly and unsubstantiated comment to make. I can name ten right off the bat….before making such sweeping statements you should check your facts.

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By: Lorraine http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-29 Lorraine Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:43:49 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-29 Your article was highly enjoyable reading. However, like Jay said, there is more to Jamaica than what you experienced...although you did make some accurate observations about Jamaican food, life, etc. Jamaica is very diverse, to the contrary of what you stated. There are Chinese Jamaicans, Lebanese Jamaicans, Indian Jamaicans (real Indians from East India, not the Native Americans that you call Indians), European Jamaicans, Syrians, and many mixtures in between. Jamaica's motto is "Out of many, one people". Most people who haven't taken the time to learn more about Jamaica often erroneously believe that all Jamaicans are black when this isn't the case. You would be very surprised to know that some Jamaican-born people are white as the driven snow, some more so than in the US. I happen to be a white Jamaican, blonde and blue-eyed, and I've never been to Seafordtown. I've lived both in Europe and the US, but my folks are simple country people. It's never been tough as a white person in Jamaica because I'm part of the culture and I don't look down on anyone. I suppose it was somewhat of a culture shock, an eye opener, because you seem to harp on race throughout bits of the article. In Jamaica, this isn't an issue like in the United States. There is a caste system in terms of poverty/wealth and fair-skinned Jamaicans are sometimes favored more, but most Jamaicans look at everyone the same, none of this "you're white, I'm black" stuff. They're helpful but they won't kiss anyone's butt over skin color. It is true that there has been extreme violence in Jamaica...this has been happening since the late 80's but has increased since about 1994. Most of it stems from poverty, unemployment, drugs, or simply fooling with the wrong person. It is no different from what happens in poverty-stricken ghettos of the US...except that Jamaicans have far fewer opportunities to improve their lives. You said your brother has been helping people there, no? That is wonderful and he should be commended. I know you went there on vacation, but out of curiosity, what did you learn from the experience of being in Jamaica? I will agree wholeheartedly that there is need in this world...but that one should not only be an observer in the plight of others. See, it is somewhat annoying when poorer people won't back off from a tourist's perspective but you should realize that this is what their livelihood depends on. I'm sure that if more opportunities were available in Jamaican society, these people would build better lives for themselves. And the truth is that although many Jamaicans battle poverty and crime, many of them are basically happy people. They believe in hard work and standing up for their rights as human beings. You were right in that Jamaica is a very homophobic society. This is how it has always been. Same-sex marriage is a no-no in Jamaica. Displays of affection between two people of the same sex is viewed as unnatural and unlawful. Homophobia often leads to murder in Jamaica, sometimes like the US (remember Matthew Shepard)? Your article was highly enjoyable reading. However, like Jay said, there is more to Jamaica than what you experienced…although you did make some accurate observations about Jamaican food, life, etc.

Jamaica is very diverse, to the contrary of what you stated. There are Chinese Jamaicans, Lebanese Jamaicans, Indian Jamaicans (real Indians from East India, not the Native Americans that you call Indians), European Jamaicans, Syrians, and many mixtures in between. Jamaica’s motto is “Out of many, one people”. Most people who haven’t taken the time to learn more about Jamaica often erroneously believe that all Jamaicans are black when this isn’t the case. You would be very surprised to know that some Jamaican-born people are white as the driven snow, some more so than in the US. I happen to be a white Jamaican, blonde and blue-eyed, and I’ve never been to Seafordtown. I’ve lived both in Europe and the US, but my folks are simple country people. It’s never been tough as a white person in Jamaica because I’m part of the culture and I don’t look down on anyone. I suppose it was somewhat of a culture shock, an eye opener, because you seem to harp on race throughout bits of the article. In Jamaica, this isn’t an issue like in the United States. There is a caste system in terms of poverty/wealth and fair-skinned Jamaicans are sometimes favored more, but most Jamaicans look at everyone the same, none of this “you’re white, I’m black” stuff. They’re helpful but they won’t kiss anyone’s butt over skin color.

It is true that there has been extreme violence in Jamaica…this has been happening since the late 80’s but has increased since about 1994. Most of it stems from poverty, unemployment, drugs, or simply fooling with the wrong person. It is no different from what happens in poverty-stricken ghettos of the US…except that Jamaicans have far fewer opportunities to improve their lives. You said your brother has been helping people there, no? That is wonderful and he should be commended. I know you went there on vacation, but out of curiosity, what did you learn from the experience of being in Jamaica? I will agree wholeheartedly that there is need in this world…but that one should not only be an observer in the plight of others. See, it is somewhat annoying when poorer people won’t back off from a tourist’s perspective but you should realize that this is what their livelihood depends on. I’m sure that if more opportunities were available in Jamaican society, these people would build better lives for themselves. And the truth is that although many Jamaicans battle poverty and crime, many of them are basically happy people. They believe in hard work and standing up for their rights as human beings.

You were right in that Jamaica is a very homophobic society. This is how it has always been. Same-sex marriage is a no-no in Jamaica. Displays of affection between two people of the same sex is viewed as unnatural and unlawful. Homophobia often leads to murder in Jamaica, sometimes like the US (remember Matthew Shepard)?

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By: jay http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-26 jay Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:23:43 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-26 I am from London the 1st world as you would call it. I am a black business woman and have travelled the world. It still humours me to read/see how some white people re-act to being in an environment where they are the minority. You were in Jamaica how many white people did you need to see on the beach to feel safe. People of colour living in the west have spent many moments being the minority and dealing with it. You made a reference to those poor orphan like children at the church who wanted to take a photo with you they were just showing you love and excited to see you and it was unfortunate for you that you had to take a picture with “them". What you will see if you look is everybody in the west is also selling something whether it is a top hotel with glossy brochure or a slick and stylish TV advert! Unfortunately the third world countries as you put it have not got the resources to pretend that they don't want something from you! As your brother is a priest maybe you would benefit from him praying for YOU to be able to see what "the real west is about". If you take time to look at the barbaric things that you own country has done including years of enslaving innocent people you may actually loss you ego and start having true understanding and compassion of people who are non white. I believe the only way all of us on this planet can truly have peace would be if we love our brother of sisters regardless of colour and then show our children this principle in our actions, words and deeds. Peace and One love I am from London the 1st world as you would call it. I am a black business woman and have travelled the world. It still humours me to read/see how some white people re-act to being in an environment where they are the minority. You were in Jamaica how many white people did you need to see on the beach to feel safe. People of colour living in the west have spent many moments being the minority and dealing with it. You made a reference to those poor orphan like children at the church who wanted to take a photo with you they were just showing you love and excited to see you and it was unfortunate for you that you had to take a picture with “them”. What you will see if you look is everybody in the west is also selling something whether it is a top hotel with glossy brochure or a slick and stylish TV advert! Unfortunately the third world countries as you put it have not got the resources to pretend that they don’t want something from you! As your brother is a priest maybe you would benefit from him praying for YOU to be able to see what “the real west is about”. If you take time to look at the barbaric things that you own country has done including years of enslaving innocent people you may actually loss you ego and start having true understanding and compassion of people who are non white. I believe the only way all of us on this planet can truly have peace would be if we love our brother of sisters regardless of colour and then show our children this principle in our actions, words and deeds. Peace and One love

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By: Karfay Johnson http://thoughtpresslife.com/2006/04/10/real-jamaica/#comment-21 Karfay Johnson Fri, 26 May 2006 18:02:57 +0000 https://thoughtpress.wordpress.com/2006/04/10/two-jamaicas/#comment-21 I am glad you were able to get a variety of experiences in Jamaica. I think the experiences in the urban inner-city and the vice-principal's home were the most representative of Jamaica - and I am glad you got the chance. Unfortunately too many of our visitors leave Jamaica with the bad taste of tourist capital experiences from MoBay, Ochii, Negril. What you got is the essence of the people that overides the crime, violence and povery that are common to both 1st and 3rd world counteries. I hope you will have the oppurtunity to visit again. I am glad you were able to get a variety of experiences in Jamaica. I think the experiences in the urban inner-city and the vice-principal’s home were the most representative of Jamaica - and I am glad you got the chance. Unfortunately too many of our visitors leave Jamaica with the bad taste of tourist capital experiences from MoBay, Ochii, Negril. What you got is the essence of the people that overides the crime, violence and povery that are common to both 1st and 3rd world counteries. I hope you will have the oppurtunity to visit again.

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